tango75jlb wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 01, 2022 1:40 pm

Pour les francophones...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmpRm9aQBWA

Pour les non francophones, l'extrait de la vidéo nous dit, en substance, que ''toutes les bottes qui font du bruit dans le Monde sont occidentales'', c'est pour cela que nous français et pays de l'otan sommes très bien placés pour faire la morale à la russie... D'autant que lorsque la russie intervient en ukraine, c'est entre autre pour défendre toutes les populations russe vivant en ukraine, et pas que au donbass d'ailleurs

Except Russian speaking ukrainian don't want Russia to intervene because they are not threatened in Ukraine. Except by Russian shelling. People in Kharkiv, Odessa (main russian speaking city of Ukraine), they want Russia out of their land. Even in Donbass, most of the people out there doesn't to be part of Russia, only some old persons with the nostalgia of the USRR.

For Ukrainian being under the influence of Russia means to have a corrupt government, little freedom, and an authoritarian regime, whereas on the on the other hand to join European union would mean economic development, freedom, little corruption just like their western neighbord such as Poland.

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 01, 2022 1:43 pm

By the way, the last picture you posted was first published by the Chinese. This is the word that allegedly "the whole world" is against Russia ..

China isn't your friend, dear simple-minded pal, China is your loan-shark.

Eintracht wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 01, 2022 1:48 pm

China isn't your friend, dear simple-minded pal, China is your loan-shark.

У Китая свои интересы. Это нормально. Но он точно вам не друг, потому что они понимают, что после России они следующая жертва вашей жадности и неуемных амбиций. Если бы немного разбирался в геополитике, ты бы это понимал, но так как крысы обычно бегут стонущего корабля, смотри не захлебнись.

China has its own interests. This is fine. But he is definitely not your friend, because they understand that after Russia they are the next victim of your greed and irrepressible ambitions. If you knew a little about geopolitics, you would understand this, but since rats usually run away from a groaning ship, look not to drown.

tango75jlb wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 01, 2022 1:25 pm

Ok et si on parlait de la boussole morale des Usa???

Du coup je remet ce lien une dernière fois

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La liste des invasions russes à côté est...RIDICULE, mais curieusement tout le clan occidental trouve cela normal et ferme les yeux, par contre quant il s'agit de la Russie, alors là la logique d'analyse est toute autre, comme par hasard

Quant à ceux qui croient que la Russie va s'écrouler financièrement et économiquement, c'est oublier que la russie aura 1 milliards et 400 millions de chinois de son côté, c'est + que l'europe et les Usa réunis, donc laissez moi rire, on va se fait bouffer tout cru par la russie et ses alliés, et quand on le comprendra, l'europe notamment sera par terre, ko
Au sortir de cette guerre, les prix à l'énergie vont EXPLOSER (gaz, electricité...) en europe

La China ne va pas apporter un soutien sans faille à la Russie, elle est trop puissante pour la Russia, elle va la vassaliser économiquement, et pleupler l'extrème orient Russe.

Enfin, la guerre en Serbie, notamment l'annexion du Kosovo était une erreur majeure et morale de l'Otan. Les Serbes ont toujours étaient nos allier (nous français).
Je ne suis pas fan de l'Otan, et l'OTAN a fait une erreur avec son bouclier antimissile en Pologne qui inhibte la dissuasion nucléaire Russe, et en n'affirmant pas un statut de neutralité de l'Ukraine, mais d'un, il faut se poser la question pourquoi tous les pays veulent rejoindre l'Otan et jamais en sortir (alors que les peuples Biélorusses, Kazakh, Ukrainiens veulent sortir de l'alliance Russe)et surtout ca ne change rien au fait que l'agression Russe est inacceptable, contre un peuple qui ne veut plus lier son destin à la Russie et au modèle Russe. Les bombardements Russes en plein centre de Kharkiv sont ignobles

Without China right behind its back, Russia would not have done all this for sure.
Russia is China's partner against usa's strategy to contain its rise which is on course to topple usa in economic military and technological fronts.
Swift or not, as long as China is supportive Russia will not be strangled economically and financially by the west.
This is about geopolitics and much more.

Even now one thing is for sure, Ukraine and Ukrainians are moral winners.

woodyfan23 wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:14 pm

Without China right behind its back, Russia would not have done all this for sure.
Russia is China's partner against usa's strategy to contain its rise which is on course to topple usa in economic military and technological fronts.
Swift or not, as long as China is supportive Russia will not be strangled economically and financially by the west.
This is about geopolitics and much more.

Yup because if Russia falls china will follow suit. China almost failed when they had the uprising. So China has a lot to lose if they don't support Russia. I don't think China old guard will be willing to give their position easily.

Snabba wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 01, 2022 1:48 pm

Except Russian speaking ukrainian don't want Russia to intervene because they are not threatened in Ukraine. Except by Russian shelling. People in Kharkiv, Odessa (main russian speaking city of Ukraine), they want Russia out of their land. Even in Donbass, most of the people out there doesn't to be part of Russia, only some old persons with the nostalgia of the USRR.

For Ukrainian being under the influence of Russia means to have a corrupt government, little freedom, and an authoritarian regime, whereas on the on the other hand to join European union would mean economic development, freedom, little corruption just like their western neighbord such as Poland.

Ага, рассказывайте сказки. То то столько людей радостно встречает Российскую Армию с освобожденной территории, а Украинские военные толпами сдаются в плен. Было бы больше людей, но к сожелении трусливые фашисты, удеживают их в заложниках и прячутся в города. Там с украинской стороны воюют в основном только фашисты, потому что они знаю, что им пощады не будет.
Что же, предатели были всегда в любой нации. Валите в "свободную Европу". Только землю русскую оставте русским!

П.С. И Польшу пнул заодно. Молодец! Так держать!

Yes, tell stories. Then so many people joyfully meet the Russian Army from the liberated territory, and the Ukrainian military surrender in droves. There would be more people, but unfortunately the cowardly fascists keep them hostage and hide in the cities. Mostly only fascists are fighting there from the Ukrainian side, because they know that they will not be spared.
Well, traitors have always been in any nation. Get down to "free Europe". Only leave the Russian land to the Russians!

P.S. And Poland kicked at the same time. Well done! Keep it up!

Snabba wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 01, 2022 1:58 pm

La China ne va pas apporter un soutien sans faille à la Russie, elle est trop puissante pour la Russia, elle va la vassaliser économiquement, et pleupler l'extrème orient Russe.

Что ему мешало в 90-х годах захватить Дальний Восток? В России был кризис, кто им мешал? Великая Китайская Стена? Эта глупая байка даже в России ходит в небольших маргинальных кругах и среди паникеров. Не нужно Китаю ссориться с Россией, особенно в настоящее время. Китай - экономика № 1 в мире, Россия ведущая военная держава. Их интересы взаимовыгодны. Объединенный Запад своими глупыми действиями, сам создал такую обстановку. У Китая конечно свои коммерческие интересы, откровенно ссориться с Западом они врядли будут, но они понимают, что после России, они следующие.

What prevented him from seizing the Far East in the 90s? There was a crisis in Russia, who prevented them? The great Wall of China? This stupid story even in Russia goes around in small marginal circles and among alarmists. There is no need for China to quarrel with Russia, especially at the present time. China is the No. 1 economy in the world, Russia is the leading military power. Their interests are mutually beneficial. The united West, with its stupid actions, itself created such an environment. Of course, China has its own commercial interests, they are unlikely to openly quarrel with the West, but they understand that after Russia, they are next.

Russian people will suffer because of Putin's madness, I feel sorry for them.