Is this article also true for Europe?
Is this article also true for Europe?
Hi Pierre!
I was reading this article about the American porn industry in The Economist http://www.economist.com/world/unitedst ... d=14416740
and I was asking myself if the European industry is experiencing something similar. As I can read it is now impossible for actors to solely live from their income from porn and I was also reading how bad are actor paid. What does your actors do on a day to day basis to survive? Are they normal workers? and the girls? waitresses?
I was reading this article about the American porn industry in The Economist http://www.economist.com/world/unitedst ... d=14416740
and I was asking myself if the European industry is experiencing something similar. As I can read it is now impossible for actors to solely live from their income from porn and I was also reading how bad are actor paid. What does your actors do on a day to day basis to survive? Are they normal workers? and the girls? waitresses?
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It's true and that's why I already explain how much we need you guys as much you need us and the only solution to fight agains piracy is to be fidel members of the sites you like, because without any serious and numerous people behind me for instance I'll closed the site.
I can live until my death without work now, so I'm lucky to not wait after this for survive, but I'll not spend my money for feeding the pirats. I'm already obliged to put big logo on the screen because now they zoom in the picture, to stop to do many things who can make the good people happy but unfortunatly unprofitable for me because stollen the day after, so YES it's a complicate period and already 70% of the industry is almost dead !
Thank you to all members of the site !
PW
I can live until my death without work now, so I'm lucky to not wait after this for survive, but I'll not spend my money for feeding the pirats. I'm already obliged to put big logo on the screen because now they zoom in the picture, to stop to do many things who can make the good people happy but unfortunatly unprofitable for me because stollen the day after, so YES it's a complicate period and already 70% of the industry is almost dead !
Thank you to all members of the site !
PW
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Pierre, thank you for alerting us against piracy and its impacts. However, some porn producers even come to the point of demonising filesharers for all ills of the industry. We should not ignore that we, as both producers and consumers, now face an 'old school' type of challenge. Ukraine may serve as a precedent for other governments in Eastern Europe and also by its own Ukraine has a population of more than 45 million and it is/was a market. I don't think most producers really care about such things.
http://www.kyivpost.com/nation/44433
Thanks for reading.
http://www.kyivpost.com/nation/44433
Thanks for reading.
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I know, the producer of " Sasha blond " and " Ivanafuckalot " has been arrested and put in jail this summer, as i heard about !
It's sad but I think the bad reputation of Ukrain accused to host more than 75% of the pedophile business, is probabily one of the reason why their President decided to become agressive agains porn industry there. I don't think he did it the right way but he wanted show the world that at least he is doing "something".
But porn is also banned in Russia, Bulgaria, and many other countries, that's the reason why I prefer bring the girls out in Budapest or Prague and shot them there, because even if I did some crazy things at my earliest days in this business, I've understood there are no real interrest to take such risk been against the law for the money it brings !
PW
It's sad but I think the bad reputation of Ukrain accused to host more than 75% of the pedophile business, is probabily one of the reason why their President decided to become agressive agains porn industry there. I don't think he did it the right way but he wanted show the world that at least he is doing "something".
But porn is also banned in Russia, Bulgaria, and many other countries, that's the reason why I prefer bring the girls out in Budapest or Prague and shot them there, because even if I did some crazy things at my earliest days in this business, I've understood there are no real interrest to take such risk been against the law for the money it brings !
PW
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I know that you're a producer who suffers most for pirate material. But take it once this way, it's just because your work is so popular and most of the people on planet Earth don't have the means to acquire them legally (import bans, outright prohibitions, Internet supervision, etc.) This said, you won't be getting to blame, for instance, a Burundian guy who's jacking off to Caylian Curtis' sight on a clandestinely bought VCD. Pornography producers should be well aware of the fact that, apart from economic aspects, they serve a very basic human need and this applies extensively for a master like you.
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Of course, it's like when Hollywood cry, we can understand they are not in bankrupcy !!! But for porn it's different, because we are far to do the money that do Hollywood and we can't work for free ...
Until now I can hold like that but the day ( if it happens ) the profit will be smaller than the cost, I'll closed the site ! That's all !!!
PW
Until now I can hold like that but the day ( if it happens ) the profit will be smaller than the cost, I'll closed the site ! That's all !!!
PW
"For 16 years WCX is a fortress resisting the changes of the internet and the hatred of morons.Thanks to the fans having always supported me but also those discovering me today. It's together that we will go the furthest !!!"
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I think Pierre that even if the Internet has eaten your profits it has also made you well-known name in the world and thanks to it you have won many fans, specially those that grew up watching porn internet (people under 30). I discovered your work thanks to one of those sites. I saw the casting of Viktoria and I liked it so much that I started looking for information about its origins and now I am a paying member.PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:Of course, it's like when Hollywood cry, we can understand they are not in bankrupcy !!! But for porn it's different, because we are far to do the money that do Hollywood and we can't work for free ...
Until now I can hold like that but the day ( if it happens ) the profit will be smaller than the cost, I'll closed the site ! That's all !!!
PW
But I think that if you want to survive in this business (the internet one), which is completely different to the video business you need more than just good content. Look for example at bang bros.. their content is not as good as yours but they are very known, because they have a great affiliate program and they do lots of SEO...are you being assisted in online marketing? I could give you some recommendations for free...
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Thank you
I'm always ready to listen anyone with sympatic attitude ...
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PW
I'm always ready to listen anyone with sympatic attitude ...
pierrewoodman2008@gmail.com
PW
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Re: Is this article also true for Europe?
Sorry, but demonising the file sharers and making them the sole reason for the porn business going down is pretty shortsighted if you ask me. See, we are having a world wide recession. More and more people world wide have less and less money to spend. OF COURSE the budget for some luxury product like porn DVDs or site subscriptions are the first to be cut. People spend their money on things they have to buy to survive. Poverty here in Germany has been increasing for years (except for the 10% at the top)! And of course the money spent on something as superfluous as porn is decreasing because of this. Same with movie DVDs, visits at the local cinema or music CDs. People go watch TV or listen to the radio instead - the free alternatives. Well, wouldn't work for me as I threw out the TV a long time ago, and my taste in music is not really radio compatible. 
Of course, file sharing does its part. But that part is far smaller than everyone makes it in order to find someone guilty and point the finger at them. I guess 9 out of 10 file sharers wouldn't buy porn if they couldn't get it for free. A big part of the file sharers are quite young - late school years, high school, university, whatever - most of them wouldn't even have the money to buy some porn DVDs. They download porn because they can get it for free! If they couldn't they'd still rather invest their money in other things that are more important (at least to them). While I was in university I had absolutely no money for porn or anything, so I got it from torrent sites or good old emule. If I wouldn't have I'd have closed my eyes - there, porn for free (I'm a guy, so everytime I close my eyes some naked girl appears out of nowhere.
). Would I miss porn if I couldn't get it? No, not much... I guess that's not so different for most people.
For porn, there's another factor that's got to be counted in - amateur porn. A lot of this can be downloaded for free without breaking any laws. I know lots of people are especially looking for this kind of porn, because they are tired of the mainstream stuff with all the fake moaning, more and more fake boobs, mostly fake-everything. Sure it's worse quality than most of the high-end porn productions, but it's far more real and through this far better and hotter for a lot guys.
Oh, and after reading that article - how long does it take to shoot a normal b/g scene for the actors? A day at most, right? 800$ for a single day of work? Sorry, but I can't find myself pitying people who get more money for a day of fucking than a lot of people get for 4 full 10-hour days of hard work! Nina Hartley has to work once a week now instead of once a month? Poor poor lady, really...

Of course, file sharing does its part. But that part is far smaller than everyone makes it in order to find someone guilty and point the finger at them. I guess 9 out of 10 file sharers wouldn't buy porn if they couldn't get it for free. A big part of the file sharers are quite young - late school years, high school, university, whatever - most of them wouldn't even have the money to buy some porn DVDs. They download porn because they can get it for free! If they couldn't they'd still rather invest their money in other things that are more important (at least to them). While I was in university I had absolutely no money for porn or anything, so I got it from torrent sites or good old emule. If I wouldn't have I'd have closed my eyes - there, porn for free (I'm a guy, so everytime I close my eyes some naked girl appears out of nowhere.

For porn, there's another factor that's got to be counted in - amateur porn. A lot of this can be downloaded for free without breaking any laws. I know lots of people are especially looking for this kind of porn, because they are tired of the mainstream stuff with all the fake moaning, more and more fake boobs, mostly fake-everything. Sure it's worse quality than most of the high-end porn productions, but it's far more real and through this far better and hotter for a lot guys.
Oh, and after reading that article - how long does it take to shoot a normal b/g scene for the actors? A day at most, right? 800$ for a single day of work? Sorry, but I can't find myself pitying people who get more money for a day of fucking than a lot of people get for 4 full 10-hour days of hard work! Nina Hartley has to work once a week now instead of once a month? Poor poor lady, really...

Re: Is this article also true for Europe?
That's very true. I only know about this site through eurobabeindex.com where they spoke about your new site here. I didn't read anything about this anywhere else on the net. If you'd invest your time in spreading the word a little, you could have far more customers. There's sooooo many porn sites on the net, that you really have to proactively get the word out - otherwise this site here will stay rather obscure.toi wrote:PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: But I think that if you want to survive in this business (the internet one), which is completely different to the video business you need more than just good content. Look for example at bang bros.. their content is not as good as yours but they are very known, because they have a great affiliate program and they do lots of SEO...are you being assisted in online marketing? I could give you some recommendations for free...