RUSSIA - UKRAINE 2022 CONFLICT

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MVitaly5 wrote:
Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:30 pm
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Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:20 pm
Vitaly, even Mr. Woodman very gently hints that you are spreading nonsense and lies on this forum.
most of the participants of the forum are already openly poking you with your nose in the shit you are spreading here.
Therefore, I personally don't care what such a moral freak like you thinks or writes about me, I will continue to accuse russia of military aggression until the complete victory of Ukraine and the public condemnation of all war criminals. And I will continue to accuse you personally of every lie and every phrase that incites international hatred. if you undertook to support and justify scumbags - tolerate the corresponding attitude towards yourself.

russia is a terrorist state!
I don't give a shit about you or your opinion of me at all!

I might be a little upset if I were debating with a smarter person. You're not blaming me, you're just showing your stupidity, inexperience, and illiteracy. And your posts, only bring me irony, contempt and laughter! That's why I'm perfectly calm. I am a military man, it would be funny to worry about trolling on forums. At least all of you can come down on me, it will only amuse me. And there are people who support my point of view, or at least have a constructive discussion. I write my posts for them, not for you... ;)

Pierro, aren't you tired of trusting an idiot with a slacker who spends all his time writing monologues here and his friend even more insipid? Is it possible that they cannot speak without giving fools? you are afraid, however, of offending those who can block your discussion, right?

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doxxx wrote:
Sat Oct 22, 2022 9:43 am
Pierro, aren't you tired of trusting an idiot with a slacker who spends all his time writing monologues here and his friend even more insipid? Is it possible that they cannot speak without giving fools? you are afraid, however, of offending those who can block your discussion, right?
Heh, asshole, you're getting into a grown-up man's topic again. :roll:
You better go suck Pierre's dick, maybe he'll take pity on you and post you some Cicciolina porn... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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MVitaly5 wrote:
Sat Oct 22, 2022 11:12 am
doxxx wrote:
Sat Oct 22, 2022 9:43 am
Pierro, aren't you tired of trusting an idiot with a slacker who spends all his time writing monologues here and his friend even more insipid? Is it possible that they cannot speak without giving fools? you are afraid, however, of offending those who can block your discussion, right?
Heh, asshole, you're getting into a grown-up man's topic again. :roll:
You better go suck Pierre's dick, maybe he'll take pity on you and post you some Cicciolina porn... :lol: :lol: :lol:
good bunny, continue your show of insults behind the keyboard as long as pierre allows you!

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Depuis le début on lit et on entends pas mal de conneries et de contre vérités !! Pendant la guerre froides les pays de l'est étaient tous sous l'emprise du pacte de Varsovie et n'avaient aucun moyens de désobéir aux Russes ou de songer a être indépendant sous peine de repressions sanglantes , on ne peut pas demander a des pays traumatisés par 60 ans de repressions et de prises en otage par les Russes du jour au lendemain pour satisfaire la sécurité de ces messieurs Russes en mal de d'espace vital d'accepter de rester neutre et sans défense , car peuvent-ils vraiment avoir confiance en la politique Russe de respecter leur intégrité ? L'histoire a montré a plusieurs reprises que les Russes ont toujours cherchés a conquérir la Pologne et les pays frontaliers sans aucun égard , alors quand on parle de l'OTAN et des américains comme des démons faut aussi se mettre dans la tête des Polonais , Ukrainiens , Estoniens , etc .. qui ont au fil des siècles du subir la répression russe ! Alors bien sur les américains s'engouffrent dans la brèche , mais à part l'OTAN quel autre choix avaient ces pays pour se défendre face à l'appétit Russe , il y a aucune autre Alliance possible !
Qu'on me parle pas de neutralité car c'est une vaste blague , aucun pays neutre à part la Suisse n'a jamais été respecté , la belgique etait neutre et 2 fois les Allemands l'ont envahis et c'est le ca pour pleins d'autres et on ne fera pas croire aux gens que la neutralité de l'Ukraine aurait été respectée c'est une vaste blague ! Les Russes c'est comme les Français , ils n'ont jamais respectés le moindre traité !

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Sat Oct 22, 2022 11:39 am
Depuis le début on lit et on entends pas mal de conneries et de contre vérités !! Pendant la guerre froides les pays de l'est étaient tous sous l'emprise du pacte de Varsovie et n'avaient aucun moyens de désobéir aux Russes ou de songer a être indépendant sous peine de repressions sanglantes , on ne peut pas demander a des pays traumatisés par 60 ans de repressions et de prises en otage par les Russes du jour au lendemain pour satisfaire la sécurité de ces messieurs Russes en mal de d'espace vital d'accepter de rester neutre et sans défense , car peuvent-ils vraiment avoir confiance en la politique Russe de respecter leur intégrité ? L'histoire a montré a plusieurs reprises que les Russes ont toujours cherchés a conquérir la Pologne et les pays frontaliers sans aucun égard , alors quand on parle de l'OTAN et des américains comme des démons faut aussi se mettre dans la tête des Polonais , Ukrainiens , Estoniens , etc .. qui ont au fil des siècles du subir la répression russe ! Alors bien sur les américains s'engouffrent dans la brèche , mais à part l'OTAN quel autre choix avaient ces pays pour se défendre face à l'appétit Russe , il y a aucune autre Alliance possible !
Qu'on me parle pas de neutralité car c'est une vaste blague , aucun pays neutre à part la Suisse n'a jamais été respecté , la belgique etait neutre et 2 fois les Allemands l'ont envahis et c'est le ca pour pleins d'autres et on ne fera pas croire aux gens que la neutralité de l'Ukraine aurait été respectée c'est une vaste blague ! Les Russes c'est comme les Français , ils n'ont jamais respectés le moindre traité !
Yes, it must have been the Russians who were in Warsaw in 1610? Was it the "Russians" who ravaged Moscow in the early 17th century? And only the unity of the Russian people helped drive the Poles from the Russian land!
Ukraine was never independent until 1991 and these territories were so called only as sovereign territories of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. And tell me Spiderdog, who was in Kiev and most of modern Ukraine in 1920? Ah, probably the Poles. Have you forgotten? What were they doing there? The Poles were constantly ravaging the territories of modern-day Ukraine in the 17th century. Read who Bogdan Khmelnitsky was for self-education. And the German occupation of the territory of Ukraine in the early 20th century and then in the middle of the 20th century? Have you also forgotten? And Western Ukraine, in general, belonged to the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Have you forgotten too? The Turks ravaged the Crimea and the territories of the North Caucasus.
Estonia did not exist as an independent state until it was granted statehood by Soviet Russia. These were German principalities, and then principalities within the Russian Empire. All that Estonia is now is a legacy of the Soviet Union, which invested a lot of money in the development of the Estonian SSR. Estonia regained its independence in 1991. And, what, they are just burning through all the legacy of the Soviet past. They have not built anything in 30 years of independence, except a rabid Russophobia. The Baltic states are a plague on the body of the European Union, they are fully subsidized countries, subsidized by the major economies of the European Union. Today's Estonia is a poor country with a constant population drain.

I have written many times in this thread about the alleged Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe and the reasons and the historical background to it. I do not want to repeat it. All that you say is not true in many respects. And any problems, they are always and everywhere. Now there is more instability in your countries, people are being beaten up in the streets by cops, for some reason you don't call it repression...

Don't forget also Spiderdog, answer yourself, what happened to all the indigenous people in Canada where you live now? I'll answer for you. You wiped it out!!!
Russia, at least it didn't wipe out the various ethnic populations in the territories it annexed. All nationalities are now living fine on the territory of the multinational Russian state. You destroyed all ethnic groups of the indigenous population of the territories you now live in!

Your misfortune Spiderdog that you do not know shit about world history, or you deliberately distort it!!!

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doxxx wrote:
Sat Oct 22, 2022 11:31 am
good bunny, continue your show of insults behind the keyboard as long as pierre allows you!
You're the one who started the insult!!! :evil:
Do you think that no one will say anything back to you?
You, get into this thread, but not once, you have not written anything constructive, did not refer to any document, which would express your point of view. If you have no desire to debate here, be smart and stay out of here! :!:

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Je ne déforme rien , je fais un constat de ce qui s'est passé durant la guerre froide et surtout de la russophobie que ça a déclenché par la suite !

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Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:47 pm
Je ne déforme rien , je fais un constat de ce qui s'est passé durant la guerre froide et surtout de la russophobie que ça a déclenché par la suite !
I assure you, Russophobia is the policy of the state, I emphasize this, because among the vast majority of ordinary people, there is no Russophobia. I know this very well, because I constantly communicate with people in these countries. And Russophobia at the state level, did not appear because of the Cold War!
The reasons are as follows:
1. Completely distorted history, which many generations are now learning from.
2. An attempt by weak countries to get grants. And Russophobia is now the main financial gain.
3. Many people mistakenly think that under capitalism they began to live much better, and the Soviet leadership, allegedly, for a long time prevented them from this desire. But that's a matter for discussion, but we can't deny that for 30 years, these countries have been living under capitalism, and they're not anything anyway.

There is no other reason. When these countries were under the influence of the Soviet Union, there was certainly dissatisfaction, but these tendencies are greatly exaggerated by the modern Western interpretation of the historical facts. But the Soviet Union invested fabulous money in the development of these countries, especially after the devastation of these countries by World War II, but everyone has forgotten about it!

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C'est marrant avec vous les faits historiques c'est quand ça vous arrange et en fonction de votre camp , je ne prends pas parti et je me fiche que ce soit les verts , les rouges ou les bleus , c'est comme une équation et un calcul , un fait est un fait c'est pas un interprétation, on fait pas de la philosophie !
En France on a tendance a aduler Napoleon sans jamais se poser de questions sur son leadership, pourtant les faits qu'on soit Français ou extra terrestre c'est qu'il a ruiné la France et que c'était un dictateur militaire ! Dans toute l'histoire Française on ne trouve que 3 bons dirigeants , pourtant l'histoire romancée nous dit que la France est merveilleuse , mais le roman on s'en fiche , seul les faits comptent !

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Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:38 pm
C'est marrant avec vous les faits historiques c'est quand ça vous arrange et en fonction de votre camp , je ne prends pas parti et je me fiche que ce soit les verts , les rouges ou les bleus , c'est comme une équation et un calcul , un fait est un fait c'est pas un interprétation, on fait pas de la philosophie !
En France on a tendance a aduler Napoleon sans jamais se poser de questions sur son leadership, pourtant les faits qu'on soit Français ou extra terrestre c'est qu'il a ruiné la France et que c'était un dictateur militaire ! Dans toute l'histoire Française on ne trouve que 3 bons dirigeants , pourtant l'histoire romancée nous dit que la France est merveilleuse , mais le roman on s'en fiche , seul les faits comptent !
All this is subjective and your and my opinion!
But the conclusion should still be made, in my opinion.
Do not seek to judge!!! Especially our ancestors. And we all, all the time do it and imagine that we have the moral right to do so. To understand adequately the motivation behind their actions, one must be their contemporaries. It is easy, to judge ex post facto, as applied to modern views of life and other aspects of human activity. In my opinion, this is wrong.
World history is also very subjective, but it gives us the right not so much to judge our ancestors, but to try, if possible, to avoid the blackest pages of human history. And this is only possible by observing an elementary biblical truth. "Treat the other person as you would like to be treated yourself."
The task of mankind, is not to create paradise on earth, but to prevent hell!!!

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