RUSSIA - UKRAINE 2022 CONFLICT

[milster]

Honestly, it would be very tough, impossible, to find a Russian who is against declaring independence from Ukraine. Don't even fucking try.

On meantime, seems that Elon Musk and Zelensky had a small twitter war

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/03/tech ... index.html

And Zelensky urging at NATO to solve Russian nuclear arsenal

https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/863548.html

Which if happens, would be very catastrophic. For all parties involved.

[PIERRE WOODMAN]

I don't really comment anymore here because really for me this tragedy became so much obvious about who want what that I think our words here are just useless ...

When I see EU very happy to buy the gaz now from a country doing to Armenie the same as Russia to Ukrain and "all is fine" I wonder why so many people die every day without nobody cares until there are not some politics interest !!!
Discusting ...

PW

[MVitaly5]

All this human pacifism is from the evil one! I personally do not believe in it. Either it is an exceptionally small number of people, and the rest are just playing a hypocritical show. In any case, this is my private opinion.
No pacifism is inherent to man by nature.
Man, too, is an animal, who will fight for his area and his interests, often using brute force. It is only because of his civilizational development that man has conceived of himself as an exceptional being, capable of being above ordinary animal passions. For this reason, man created, for example, religion, in order to insinuate to himself, his chosenness in nature and eternity in the continuation of life. In fact, this is one of the many ways to manipulate and control the masses of people.
Man has the same animal instincts: the struggle for his range, the struggle for resources, the struggle for dominance in society, in order to participate in the distribution of resources and material goods, the struggle for the continuation of HIS very own species, and so on. For the sake of this, it will, pursue its selfish interests in all spheres of its activity, using any methods and ways of solution.
And you will not change this in any way!
Let us hypothetically imagine that a state, today, renounces its armed forces and declares its pacifist policy. Tomorrow, that state will be under someone else's influence. There are many such examples in history. The militaristic Japan, after its defeat in World War II, followed this path. And? It is now completely under the control of the U.S. in the political aspect and has virtually no sovereign opinion on geopolitical issues. The Western European countries, also under U.S. control.
Napoleon Bonaparte said: "The people who won't feed their own army will feed someone else's." And this is true, unfortunately or not.

That's not what's important here.
It's just that certain civilizations, pursue goals and fight for interests that would allow them to dominate and disregard the interests of other civilizations. To do this, they use any means of fighting. And there is not a whiff of pacifism about.
And other civilizations, at least, propose to seek some kind of consensus and equality in order to respect the interests of all parties. (Although this too is not achievable). It is among these two sides that you will have to find your side. There is no other choice. And sitting on the sidelines on a pacifist philosophy is not an option.

[CrazyAnimal]

I believe Putin will use nuclear weapons on Ukraine in the next days, its a huge pandora box to open, but it is what it is...

World War 3 or the end of the war, thats the outcome.

CA .

[vks022]

Your problem is that you're sitting in an Eastern European country somewhere, watching your TV, and you don't understand shit.

People like you don't understand the psychology and prerequisites of this conflict. These territories, where referendums were held, have always been Russian-speaking, and Russian-speaking people have lived in them. These cities: Lugansk, Donetsk, Kherson, Zaporozhye, were created by Russian statesmen. Even the American Elon Musk, now realized that in these territories, they support Russia. And it was Ukraine itself that motivated the people in these territories by its own actions. In addition to eradicating the Russian language in recent years, forbidding people to speak it, study it, they decided to break by force those people who disagreed with it. They burned people alive in Odessa in 2014, started bombing cities in Dombass, destroyed the entire political opposition. Do you think after that, any of the people, would vote to stay living in Nazi Ukraine? Do you even have a shred of logic and common sense?

All I can say is that I still stand by point that a 99% vote in favor of joining Russia is not possible. Every free election has margins of like 50%-70%ish. This margin is unheard of and Putin shouldnt have rigged it so hard.
I am not in the Ukraine that is true. But I regurlarly have been playing online with some 7ish Ukranians for many years.

Everyone is strongly in favor of their native side and everyone says that Putins justifications of the war are very untrue. That corruption is exagerated and Nazi acts are miniscule.

So both of you say you wont find one Russian against this conflict. Im not trying to debate that point but to be fair even thats debatable.

What I will say that it will be easy to find people wanting to stay in Ukraine in the debated regions. There is enough photo evidence and those regions are helping the Ukranian side fight to a degree that shows this also.
If everyone in those regions wanted independence the fight would have been easier for the Russians. Instead they are suffering from logistics etc.

That you both cant even question this referendum result just shows you are acting like sheep to putin. Any neutral party can see that the vote was rigged and the given results are impossible

[pierro]

russia is a terrorist state

[MVitaly5]

Lies that this is a typical morning, for several months now, no strikes have been carried out at all on Kiev, and other cities in central and western Ukraine.

Here, a typical morning in Kiev until October 10, 2022. Walking around the city, rejoicing over the terrorist attack on the Crimean bridge, taking pictures in front of a silly stamp issued by the Ukroposhta.


Here is the silly joy of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry.


Did you really think that Russia, would continually tolerate a terrorist Ukraine, supervised by British and American intelligence services in carrying out terrorist acts on Russian soil? The Dasha Dugina bombing, the October 08, 2022 terrorist attack on the Crimean Bridge, where people died too?

There you have it. The answer, will be very tough. It's time to get Central and Western Ukraine out of idle fun already. Otherwise, in February 2022, they all shit themselves and crammed into basements, and now they are so impudent that they are walking around having fun, while their Nazi army is constantly shelling Russian border cities, cities in Zaporozhye and Kherson regions, cities in Dombass.
Sit in the dark for a while, without internet, or run to Europe, where you are so "loved".

On October 10, 2022, Russia launched high-precision, massive missile strikes on Ukraine's energy, communications and military infrastructure. All games are over!

[MVitaly5]

But I regurlarly have been playing online with some 7ish Ukranians for many years.

Fuck, a kid judging serious geopolitical issues by communication in online games...
I don't even want to comment or explain anything. Primitivism and childish childishness. It's surprising that on a forum with adult themes, you often find kids like this trying to "smarten up" and participate in a discussion of adult and serious issues...

[PornDevil90]

STOP spreading your russian propagadna here there are thousands scenes on Intrenet where russians troops shooting to civilians cars for no reasone like in Ірпінь - thats your army. As Putin said in 2015 as I remmember he want to rebuild old USRR

[MVitaly5]

That's it, now in addition to Trump, Elon Musk is an "Agent of Putin.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/ake44z/ ... in-ukraine