The refugees coming to Europe

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Dimanche Votez

And I am a left English guy... Crazy world!

CA

Why are you surprise? I also support socialism but with today's reality, Europe needs more leader as Marine Lepen to stop this madness, we see. The polls are not in favor of Marine or Marion for the second round. Let see what happens in an hours from now, when the first results start coming out.

Each time a radical right-wing party wins an election anywhere in Europe they immediately start to make use of their new power: They get rid of certain judges and prosecutors, they make changes to the constitution, they cut freedom of press and freedom of speech (including the internet). Orban has done that, the terrible new government in Poland is doing it, and a megalomaniac named Erdogan is their mentor. Marine Le Pen and friends will do the same should the French people entrust the Elysée palace to her in 2017.

And who makes this possible?
Fearful people without balls that vote for those fascists.

[likata]

Orban has done what? Do you live in Hungary or you are just telling what the mainstream media is saying about him. I was in Budapest last year, then went to Paris.

If I have to choose another place to live in Europe beside Berlin or Frankfurt, I will choose Budapest without even thinking twice. I have stayed there for a week and I really loved it and very felt safe.
Paris was terrible and very unsafe place. It looked more like Johannesburg to me.

Orban is a great leader and the only respecting the established laws.

I am a black guy BTW

[PIERRE WOODMAN]

Not only the fear but the french people are tired of all their old and present governant.
So yes today they have been able to block Le Pen, but for how long ?
If nothing change fast in France , and I don't see how they could make a huge change, then the FN will take the power one day yes ...

PW

[LordOfTheWood]

And who makes this possible?
Fearful people without balls that vote for those fascists.

Indeed. And we shouldn't underestimate those who are just stupid. It's easy for rabble-rousers to catch stupid and ignorant people.

Orban has done what? Do you live in Hungary or you are just telling what the mainstream media is saying about him. I was in Budapest last year, then went to Paris.

If I have to choose another place to live in Europe beside Berlin or Frankfurt, I will choose Budapest without even thinking twice. I have stayed there for a week and I really loved it and very felt safe.
Paris was terrible and very unsafe place. It looked more like Johannesburg to me.

Orban is a great leader and the only respecting the established laws.

I am a black guy BTW

Oh yes, of course, the big mainstream media conspiracy. That's the killer argument whenever people who know how to read guys such as Orban or Kaszynski are trying to defend their heroes. Believe me, I read a lot of absolutely serious books, magazines and newspapers - we have many very good media in Germany.

Orban is nothing but an opportunist. When the European Union reminded him to respect the freedom of press (we agree that free press is important I presume; when it comes down to it even a forum like this one is part of a free press in a way) he suddenly began to intensify the Hungarian contacts to Moscow. For countries such as Hungary and Poland, to name just two, it's nice to be member of the European Union as long as Brussels keeps sending money, but this union also means solidarity. Currently we see a massive lack of the latter.

So you've spent a week in Budapest. I'm sure you had a great time, maybe you even met some nice Hungarian girl that kept you warm at night. But you certainly didn't meet members or supporters of a party named Jobbik, or even worse the Magyar Hajnal. These are the Hungarian radical right-wing parties. And these parties definitely don't want black guys in their country.

Not only the fear but the french people are tired of all their old and present governant.
So yes today they have been able to blocl Le Pen, but for how long ?
If nothing change fast in France , and I don't see how they could make a huge change, then the FN will take the power one day yes ...

PW

Many things have gone wrong in France, no doubt. But I don't think that Le Pen really has a master plan. All I've read about her political plans would mean an isolation of France, and definitely not a splendid one. Without the Euro and with trade restrictions the way she plans them the French economy would go down the drain.

And things went terribly wrong in the banlieues, IMO that's one of the biggest challenges.

[likata]

So you've spent a week in Budapest. I'm sure you had a great time, maybe you even met some nice Hungarian girl that kept you warm at night. But you certainly didn't meet members or supporters of a party named Jobbik, or even worse the Magyar Hajnal. These are the Hungarian radical right-wing parties. And these parties definitely don't want black guys in their country.

For your information I have spent 4 weeks there and I have even met another west African man in the mall who spent 31 years of his life in Hungary. I have asked him how it was to live there as a black male. If you understand french check the video at the link below from 2m28sec.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzQJAE828a0#t=2m28s

Talking about Germany, that the country that I have experience the worst form of racism and racial profiling in the western Europe. I love Berlin and Frankfurt but Germany is not better than Hungary. Maybe Hungarian are not that politically correct, but I prefer to deal with people who are themself than those pretending to be what they are not.

When speaking about media, they only give their version of story and they are not always true. Not long ago, we know how much the western media has played a role in ousting Kadhafi, calling him all names. He wasn't the best president but much better than the terrorists ruling Libya today that the western medias were praising.

Talking about right-wing parties, you make me laugh. Europeans are the less racist people that I have come across. I feel safer with Hungarian right-winger then xenophobe zulu in the Alexandra township who will burn any black person who isn't south-African.

[likata]

PS. Although I am black, I don't like staying in the black or other third-world immigrants neighborhood because of the high rate of crime, etc... I never hide it and talk about it openly. The reason why most of these immigrants are fucking up everything, it is because the "liberals" have been treating them like children and hiding their wrong doings to be political correct.

I won't blame people from Orban party to hate whoever or a group of people coming to fuck up his country.

[woodyfan23]

Not only the fear but the french people are tired of all their old and present governant.
So yes today they have been able to blocl Le Pen, but for how long ?
If nothing change fast in France , and I don't see how they could make a huge change, then the FN will take the power one day yes ...

PW

Well, Les attentats a Paris last month served to raise her level of awareness and recognition in a big way among the ordinary French people, but it's not enough to make her win in the Second tour.

To polevault it into regional leadership or even presidency would take another massive event or two to wake up the french people completely. It's hard to swallow but sadly no one can rule out the possibility that it will come, in France or other part of Europe.
Europe.

[PIERRE WOODMAN]

Honestly, if you were living in Hungary guys, you'll feel much better than in Paris !!!
So until now I think Orban is from far better than many other European dirigeants.
Of course as always in all govnerment of the world, there are some dark side and bad stories with money not going in the right pockets etc ... but anyway, for a simple human as I am, one of the most important thing is to know your wife or childrens can walk in the street in the night with almost zero chance been attacked by bad people.
In Paris every time you are going out, you never now if you will be back home safe.
This feeling is not acceptable in Europe in 2015 !!!

PW

[slystone]

I would like to moderate a little ...

I think it's not so fair to compare just Paris with Hungary because Paris is a very special case. Paris is not France, no ?

And, even if you compare Paris with Budapest, you should keep in mind there is 7x more people /km² in Paris ! It's not so easy to manage, specialy if you have in mind that it stay the most touristic place in the world ( 15 millions people every year ! ). And really I wonder why !
In fact, I think tourists attract bad people...

Don't you feel safe in you city of birth ?

But I agree that in some big french cities, there is dangerous places. These kind of "ghettos" should not exists.

[woodyfan23]

It should be noted that the FN lost in the second tour of the Regionales only because of the electioneering between la Gauche and la Droite, a lesson for all sides to be born in mind against the background that FN's social/electoral bases having been expanding since the refugee crisis,especially les attentats a Paris!