Pierre...what are your thoughts on this war with Israel and Hamas. Who is to blame?

Terrorism is unacceptable !!!

This conflict was on the peace way few weeks ago with South Arabians ready to sign with Israel for a better situation in midle orient but what did Hamas has destroyed this process and the horrible way they did that is same as Nazi in WW2 when they invaded Russia.
Hamas is a basquet of cowards piece of shit killing childrens and using their own child to try protect themselves when after what they did Israel is bombing Palestine. So many innocents people on both side are dead because of this terrorist group and I hope Tsahal will erase definitely those mother fuckers for their crimes and then maybe it will be possible one day to see the peace in this part of the planet.

PW

Sure what Hamas group did are war crimes or a pogrom like some observers said on the medias... No one can excuse or justify the slaugthering of young men and women gathering to a music festival organized for ... peace between israelis and palestinians. Elders and babies were also butchered by those commandos of terrorists. Hundreds of civilians and soldiers were knidnapped too and brought back to the Gaza strip. This never happened in Israel so you can imagine the trauma in the israeli society. They want to fight back and retaliate ( like the us did after september 11th) and the country is fully united to destroy the Hamas organization. And i think they will not cease the fight until the job is not accomplished.

But this said, the israeli society and its democraticaly elected goverments will now have to accept and fully implement the two-states solution (a state for the jews and a state for the palestinians) , whatever it takes of sacrifices and compromises to do this. If not, another Hamas will emerge and you can get the picture.

Now the bombing in the gaza strip to eradicate hamas will inevitably be causing hundred or thousands of civilians collateral victims and add fuel on fire between those two nations...

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:42 pm

Terrorism is unacceptable !!!

This conflict was on the peace way few weeks ago with South Arabians ready to sign with Israel for a better situation in midle orient but what did Hamas has destroyed this process and the horrible way they did that is same as Nazi in WW2 when they invaded Russia.
Hamas is a basquet of cowards piece of shit killing childrens and using their own child to try protect themselves when after what they did Israel is bombing Palestine. So many innocents people on both side are dead because of this terrorist group and I hope Tsahal will erase definitely those mother fuckers for their crimes and then maybe it will be possible one day to see the peace in this part of the planet.

PW

In my opinion, you are greatly simplifying the situation, and as usual, there is the usual psychological impact on ordinary people, namely on the emotional component. The history of this conflict is very deep and is a rattling mixture of opposing interests and manipulative games, different countries and their intelligence services, both overt and veiled. The fighting is only the outer shell and its most superficial side, but the most emotional for most people.
No one justifies the actions of Hamas - they are religious fanatics, and fanatics are always crazy. But have you ever wondered that such a large-scale attack on Israel was so sudden for the latter? If so, then the entire Mossad should be fired without pension. If the Hamas group are crazy religious fanatics, and everything is clear with them, Israel has always been looking for an excuse to deal with them seriously. And this is such an emotional occasion for the world community.
Naturally, innocent people are pitied, killed by the Hamas attack. But what is Israel doing now? It demolishes entire residential neighborhoods in the Gaza Strip, and a huge number of innocent people are killed, that is, in fact, Israel is doing what Russia has been allegedly doing in Ukraine for two years now (that is, what it is falsely accused of in the West). Israel now has to regret its transfer in the past of 300 thousand American munitions to Ukraine, which were also fired not into "space", but into residential areas of Dombassa, but this cannot be said out loud in the West and in Israel.
And it is still unknown how all this will end. And if Hezbollah gets involved, there will be a reason to start dealing with Iran, and Israel will ask for help from its patrons - the United States. And it will ask for ammunition for itself and from the same USA. In general, we can write about it for a long time.
Need Chaos in Eurasia!!! And the customer and scriptwriter of all this is only one, the one who hopes to hide behind the ocean and "throw wood on the fire", skimming the cream, taking the outflow of capital and industries to themselves, which will naturally leave the conflict territories.
Do not forget that if this conflict develops, a new wave of refugees will pour into the EU!

"Israel has always been looking for an excuse to deal with them seriously"

Alas, even is hamas group is clearly denying the right of existence to Israel, the israelis politicians (mainly right wing ones) has always played the hamas group to undermine the power of PLO of mahmoud abbas... Clearly, most of these ones didn't want seriously some compromise with the palestinian authority to get a palestinian state... And you get the picture now...

Two wrongs do not make a right...and now the Israeli air attacks on Gaza have killed 2215 people of whom 724 were children.

For a general background about the conflict:

https://ryanmcbeth.substack.com/p/gaza- ... l-conflict

After Covid and Ukraine now Israel...... interesting times. If this gets out of control then this could lead to WW3. Plenty of nations already kind of involved.....not sure where China will fit in,,,but we will see

Thanks Bobby
I like this video because this guy is really objective and this is what miss 99% of the people nowadays ...

PW

Je dois avouer que ce conflit est le plus ridicule de la planète car au fond la Palestine ça n'a jamais existé , c'était d'abord un territoire Grec sous Alexandre le Grand , puis c'est devenu Byzantin et ensuite Ottoman pour ensuite être une colonie Anglaise et à aucun moment on te dit ici c'était la Palestine !

Spiderdog wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 17, 2023 3:36 pm

Je dois avouer que ce conflit est le plus ridicule de la planète car au fond la Palestine ça n'a jamais existé , c'était d'abord un territoire Grec sous Alexandre le Grand , puis c'est devenu Byzantin et ensuite Ottoman pour ensuite être une colonie Anglaise et à aucun moment on te dit ici c'était la Palestine !

So what?
If we consider the question according to your logic, the state of Israel also emerged only in 1947. Both administrative territories, Israel and Palestine, which came into existence as a result of UN General Assembly Resolution No. 181, adopted on November 29, 1947, are "man-made products" of politicians.
That is absolutely not the point here.
Both peoples, Jews and Arabs, are genetically descended from peoples who lived in these territories more than 4,000 years ago. Many scientists generally believe that Jews and Arabs are one people, or at least related.
The main problem here is that religion, as usual, has interfered in the division of people.
If to tell briefly, not in theological language, all religions: "Judaism, Islam and Christianity" are "Abrahamic religions", that is, they have a common founder Abraham or Ibrahim. The Jews in the Upper Testament, they are descended from Abraham's wife Sarah, and the Arabs from Abraham's concubine Hagar (Hagar). Christianity and Islam, on the other hand, originated in the territories of the Middle East, much later than they did, if the researcher is an atheist, this can be characterized by analogy with other political ideologies. They simply began to remake what had already been created in their own way. But many "Holy Places" of all three religions are common!!!! And they are located at the current stage at the junction of the borders of Israel and Palestine. This is the main problem of many centuries. Hence the numerous "Crusades" of Christians and centuries-long enmity between Jews, Arabs and Turks.
Of course, I described it all very briefly and superficially, but this is one of the main aspects why I am an opponent of religions, because historically, often it was religious strife that was the main divisive factor.
The territories of the Middle East are a "Time Bomb" and always have been. It is very easy to destroy the shaky peace on it, and it is extremely difficult to restore it!