Maybe some of the Spanish members in this forum have already seen this reportage from Rec - Reporteros Cuatro called "Ricos gracias al porno"

http://play.cuatro.com/directo/portada/ ... uatro-rec/

One hour long TV program explaining that many people complain about Internet (Vivid, Evil Angel, and old media) but there are others who are making money from the Internet and many others who are pirating and publishing it for free.

The program takes place mostly in San Fernando Valley, where they interview local performers as well as known actors such as Lexington Steele, Nacho Vidal.

They mention that by working in the industry you can earn 2000-3000 dollar per week as a female (with a remuneration of 1000 dollar per scene) and that as a male doing 20-25 scenes per week you can earn a similar quantity, 12000 dollar per month; however, not many people earn that because among other things, there are less scenes being filmed nowadays. On the other side of the Atlantic, in Barcelona, the pay is much lower and an actress earns around 250 USD per scene.

They also mention other numbers such as there are 2500 million email per day containing adult related material or 28000 persons in the world watch porn every second.

Lexington Steele acknowledges that nowadays his main source of income is merchandising of sex toys and penis replicas. He produces around 4-5 movies per month with an average budget per movie of 15000USD. But the whole industry films around 350 scenes per day.

Nacho Vidal affirms that he has been hardly hit by the changes in porn consumption, 5 years ago his movies sold around 15000 units per month, now it is less than 10% of that. He also mention that his costs average around 600€ per scene whereas in the past it used to be 2000€.

They also go an interview the boss of IFG, an Spanish producer, Salvador Diago. He says that the Spanish industry barely makes money. Around 20m € per year. Consumption has grown but most of it comes from piracy. IFG movie website attracts around 4m visitors per month but less than 60% come back once they realize that it is a paid website and only 2000 become paid members.

On the other hand, Marco Banderas a Spanish actor/producer living in the Valley mentions that the porn industry is seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. He is now filming around 35 scenes per month (during the crisis only 20).

Chris Mann and John Stagliano (Buttman) from Evil Angel are also interviewed. He considers himself as the creator of the "gonzo" genre. Stagliano says that free porn on the Internet can be compared to stealing. C.Mann says that E.A sees an advantage -specialization- You do not longer need to create a product who pleases millions of consumers rather porn producers need to do thousands of products who attract hundreds of customers. They say that out of 650k visitors only 3500 become paid members.
Chris Mann describes the current strategy of E.A and is to work together with the YouTubes for adults, give them small 4-5min videoclips of their 45min productions and request a link to the official website of Evil Angel.

The Romanian former actor turned director for E.A, Raul Cristian, says that the business is doing bad and it will be impossible to erradicate all those YouTubes for adults. Nevertheless, Evil Angel mentions that until now all of their films have recovered their production costs and have not turned any loses.

The program concludes by revealing that until now the only Internet product which cannot be pirated and is quite profitable are paid erotic video-based chats. Normal average street girls who work from their homes earn between 1600 and up to 2000 euro per month. However, Sophie Evans, an adult performer, mentions that also professional female performers are making an income from videochats.
Administrators of such video chat websites reveal that their average up to 10mio € per year. It is hence a profitable business.

Yes we sadly all knows that internet was supposed to be a dream world but it's not !!!
Lot of people regret the DVD time because pirates wasn't hurting us as today !!!

PW

Pierre have you thought about creating your own adult toy product line? As in selling the plastic vagina of Dido Angel & co?

or what about offering private chats for a cost per session either with you or one of the many girls in the business. You have seen how successful are the discussion threads when the girl involved post a comment such as the ones with Rebecca or with Olivia LaRoche.

Probably is true that the adult movie production is beaten to death. But on the other hand there is a market for niches (as WCX, a casting website, and WnF, a gonzo website, successfully show) and for other adult products.

Do you have any plans on launching other websites this year (we already know about Woodmanfilms and Woodman Nudes and a potential PierreWoodman.com) or try to cater other niches/fetishisms?

Well, I have also seen that documentary and.... the main thought you get of all that is that the producers of that documentary have not fucking idea about the world of porn, nowadays.

They interview, as Toi has said, a lot of people from porn, everyone of them speaking about the same. Oh the pirates are very bad, they are so mean, we don't sell anything, bla bla bla bla bla. All of them, except one. And I will speak of him later.

The don't sell anything because of piracy. They don't sell anything because the porn they sell is dead. At least in Europe, we know the mentality of USA people (said with all respect, of course anyone can have the mentality that prefers), if one girls is blonde and with silicon boobs, better than a natural one, you know the sentence "the bigger the better, no matter what it costs".

You hear people like Lexington Steel, Nacho Vidal, Ramon Nomar-Guevara (he was born few streets far from mine) and the only thing you have in mind is to kick their asses until your foot exploses. You are BORING. And the climax is that Marco Banderas, former imitator of Julio Iglesias (he still imitates him, you just have to see his manners, and you'll puke, believe me).

Now if you listen to Max Cortes, present in all reportaries, documentaries and shit concerning porn in Spain, you'll get what I mean. I mean, he is retarded. Very proud of his FICEB (International Erotic Festival in Barcelona), where he was normally the star, when DVD's still sell, now that this market is DEAD, he cries that piracy is killing his work. Wrong, he (they) just simply arrived late to the place they should be years before, and that place is now occupied by someone far more intelligent than him/them.

The only person that says something with sense in that documentary is John Stagliamo. And he says (and I agree 100%) that you can't do a product for 1 million people. You have to do 10 different products (for different tastes) for 100000 people. And it works for him, so no more to say.

And in Spain, there was someone few years ago, that saw where the future was, and went for it. When you see him, you could also think he is retarded too. But he is not, he was the smartest of all. And I leave a link here, to see what he thinks about those complainers (it is in Spanish, I'll put here some sentences translated):

http://blogs.putalocura.com/torbe/index ... nterneeet/

He says things like:

Seeing everybody in this business saying that "oh I'm crying because everybody steals my videos in the net, they are so mean...." proves how unprofessional they are and how little they know about this business. Gentlemen, if one knows how to carry a business in the net, you'll get rich. It doens't matter if you sell porn or oranges online. You'll get rich.


Don't you think that if piracy affected wo much this business (and he is number one in porn videos donwloaded in Spain) I would be much worse than how I am? How could I pay Czech or Russian models 1200 euros per scene, or doing travels to Czech or Russia where I spent more than 15000 euros? Piracy is publicity for my web. And I am richer everyday.


I think there's no more to say. Piracy can affect maybe little websites. Maybe. But for all these people.... please

Well, spanishfan, I partly agree with Torbe and he says that because his business is a one-man-show.. it is just him and his videocamera, not big production and so.

On the other hand, the traditional industry cannot survive with Torbes business model. His website might earn 30-40k which is totally fine for one person, but not for having a camera men, makeup girl, nice location, and and and...

Furthermore, he uses all the girls Pierre has already casted, you name it, Pierre was there first. Obviously being first represents a bigger investment, not only on constant travels and plenty of castings with many girls who will say simply No, but also on expensive release agreements. Torbe just has to pick up the phone and call Jane Darling's agent, but who wants to see another movie with Jane Darling?

I think Torbe nailed it on producing cheap porn people like, series such as Parejitas (amateur couples) or the opportunity of participating in an orgy with a random czech model (lucky, etc). Another source of income is his huge community PutaLocura, just the publicity alone leaves enough money for his travels, shootings and all that nice things he talks about he can afford.

I like visiting his website but I think his porn is cheap and uninteresting. Some of the girls he has sex with (not the Pros, but the whores he gets during his travels) would not even make it to a STUF casting here! They are simply horrible, while a Woodman girl is one, which probably you could only meet in your dreams.
I would always prefer to spend my money at Pierre's website. Torbe is like driving a Fiat Panda (it might take you there -orgasm- but it is no fun), while Pierre is the Tesla of porn (an artisan product for joy and pleasure).

Woaw Toi, thanks a lot it's nice to read !
Even if Torbe is a sympathetic guy, yes it's clear his business model doens't work for huge company business...

PW

Yes of course, we agree on that Toi. Absolutely.

When I refer to Torbe, I speak strictly of Spanish market. And as you say, only the earnings he has from the publicity in his web (not counting members, video downloading and so on) finances all his movements to achieve girls.
Of course he uses girls Pierre has casted before (who doesn't ), even more, he tries to imitate (hundred of levels below, of course) Pierre style.

His strong point is doing what Stagliano explained in that documentary, he seeks groups of people liking one specific form of porn, and gives it to them, instead producing always the same kind ofd film, as traditional industry does (and so it's dying, for doing always the same). But anyway, we agree he's a "local" big fish, quite childish for my taste, but successful, and that's what matters.

And concerning what you've said about money, yes, the amount of money he makes is enough for him, because he doesn't need anything. Girls make up themeselves, he is the cameraman, the actor, and he films in his own house, so his only spends are the girls, and his webmasters and lawyers.

And of course, that is not enough for big industry, or big productions. But you must remember, that as I've said, he is a local porn man, focused on a very short amount of people (Spanish porn consumers). Whereas big productions are directed to a global world porn consuming community. And the benefits, are not the same. It would be much difficult to confront piracy for a man like Torbe (short spending, but very short target), than for big industry (big expenses, very big target)

And of course in terms of paying for porn, having doubts between paying for seeing a video from Torbe or one from Pierre.... well, you might go to the doctor and explain that to him, maybe he has a solution for you

I have never paid for a video made by Torbe but I am an usual member of Pierre's site (depending on the month, sadly). There's no colour in that discussion. Even better, there is NO discussion

Pierre, have you heard of this American company Grxxxxx http://www.grxxxxx.com/ . It is worth billions now!!!

The public can only buy a deal after a certain number agrees to buy the deal by paying first. If the number is not hit, then the money is returned.

If you have the DP scene of very beautiful girl and you put a tease pic, set an amount, maybe 5000 and only if enough people agreed to contribute that 5000 will the scene be released. (5000 might be too small ...)

Thank you to find some ideas for me but mostly I don't even know if I've a chance or not to fuck a girl until it's not done, so how do you want me to show her photo and propose a DP... it's impossible and I think this people just do a buzz about it because the scene is already in their stock...

PW