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No problem, but you are also right... I think we have misunderstood each other... (sorry, no native english speaker here ;) )

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50 shades of grey

Specifically, MindGeek owns a large number of porn aggregator “tube sites” (so named because they mimic YouTube’s format) such as Pornhub, YouPorn, and Redtube, which serve up huge amounts of free porn funded by ads. According to porn-industry blogger Mike South, MindGeek now owns eight of the top 10 of these aggregator sites (the exceptions being xHamster and Xvideos). These sites, whether owned by MindGeek or not, notoriously host a lot of pirated content. While each individual tube site responds to Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) takedown requests, most porn producers do not have the resources of movie studios or record labels to monitor piracy; according to adult film star Siri, MindGeek’s sites “force copyright holders to jump through hoops to get our content removed.” South told me that consequently, production of porn films is down 75 percent from where it was eight years ago, and DVD sales down 50 percent in that time. The general sentiment is that the porn business crash around 2008 was due to the rise of widescale piracy on tube sites and torrents, an increase in amateur porn, and the Great Recession.

The decline has continued since then, driving down fees and causing performers to look elsewhere to make ends meet. When South started in the industry, “I could count performers I know who did prostitution on one hand. Now I can count the performers I know who don’t do it on one hand.” According to Salon, while performers working as escorts was rare and frowned upon in 2000, by the end of the decade it had become common. Adult performer Houston told Salon’s E. J. Dickson last year, “If you look at the escort sites, pretty much every porn star is on there.”

The crash in the porn business provided MindGeek with the opportunity to purchase high-profile porn content producers, including big names like Brazzers (in 2010) and Digital Playground (in 2012) at discounted rates, each of which themselves operate dozens of sites. Alongside names like Hustler and Vivid, MindGeek effectively came to control a huge amount of the mainstream “traditional” porn industry—the Hollywood-like production scene based in California’s San Fernando Valley, which has given us Jenna Jameson and Sasha Grey. As Adult Empire director of business development Colin Allerton told the Daily Dot, “every major studio and star is now partnered with MindGeek or has worked for a studio that MindGeek purchased.” Since then, industry workers have been in the difficult situation of seeing their work pirated on sites owned by the same company that pays them—imagine if Warner Brothers also owned the Pirate Bay. The way Siri puts it, it’s as though Walmart drove mom-and-pop stores out of business “and then to top it off, went into the mom-and-pop shops and literally stole all of their products to be resold at Walmart.” It’s a tough time to be a mom-and-pop porn shop.

Even content producers that MindGeek owns have trouble getting their movies off MindGeek’s tube sites. The result has been a vampiric ecosystem: MindGeek’s producers make porn films mostly for the sake of being uploaded on to MindGeek’s free tube sites, with lower returns for the producers but higher returns for MindGeek, which makes money off of the tube ads that does not go to anyone involved in the production side.

Porn industry workers do not have many options available. Actress Tasha Reign told ABC, “I kinda have to shoot for [MindGeek] because they own almost everything.” This total industry dominance has had the effect of silencing performers against criticizing Manwin; people like South and Siri, who have openly condemned MindGeek’s monopoly and power, are extremely rare. When asked, most refuse to talk about piracy, worrying that MindGeek will blacklist them. Since MindGeek-owned companies provide huge amounts of advertising to Adult Video News and other industry news sites, they wield a great deal of influence over trade publications and events as well.

MindGeek itself has something of a checkered past. In 2009, with the company still under founders Manos and Youssef, the Secret Service seized $6.4 million from bank accounts controlled by MindGeek, leading its assets to be sold to German tech investor Fabian Thylman, who changed the company name to Manwin. In April 2011, Manwin quietly secured a $362 million loan from Wall Street firm Colbeck Capital, founded by former Goldman Sachs employees Jason Colodne and Jason Beckman. (Goldman Sachs distanced themselves from the two.) Colbeck’s funds were in turn secured from other firms including the troubled Fortress Capital, masking the Manwin association. Having used the loan to continue to acquire tube sites and content producers, Thylman was then extradited from Belgium to Germany in 2012 for tax evasion on Manwin’s profits. In late 2013, Thylman was bought out by current CEO Ferras Antoon and COO David Tassillo, longtime players within the company, who now control operations from Montreal.

With its business orienting toward optimizing views and links on its tube sites, MindGeek has sought to expand into “cleaner” areas of Internet business and portray itself as your average high-energy startup. It is uncertain whether this strategy will work, since the facade remains fairly transparent. As one GlassDoor user wrote, “If you're interested in the ‘Content Formatter’ job, just be aware you're basically a glorified child porn screener, and you will be watching disgusting videos all day.”

Because of the taboo surrounding pornography, especially in America, no antitrust actions are going to be taken against MindGeek any time soon, nor has much attention been paid to the increasing bind that industry workers find themselves in as a single corporate behemoth gobbles up companies. With shrinking competition, de facto sanctioned piracy, and falling pay rates, industry blogger Lux Alptraum told Mademan’s Grant Stoddard that if MindGeek goes down, “it could take most of the porn industry with it.”

As content-provider companies like Netflix and Amazon move into the content-production business, MindGeek provides a glimpse of how the alignment of incentives can change. The distributor doesn’t necessarily need to make content that generates adequate money for the content producers, as long as it generates money somehow. None of these other companies will shift to the free ad-based model that MindGeek’s tube sites use, but a company like Netflix may end up in a position of far greater strength if it comes to control a primary means of distribution—especially if it’s one cheaper than cable—and movie studios and networks may end up having to cut deals with Netflix rather than the other way around. Right now content producers have tremendous influence with Netflix because Netflix needs their content, but should that balance of power change, Netflix will be in the position of power, which is why HBO and others are racing to get into the online streaming business.

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Wow. Thank you for this huge post. Too much information to absorb tonight. Tomorrow I will sit down with a cold beer and enjoy reading all of this. :D

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That was very very interesting. Thank you for all that information.

I had never heard of MindGeek before. They remind me of poachers who kill elephants for the ivory. Once all the elephants are extinct, the poachers will go on to some other illegal practice, like selling virgin girls to cure a man of Aids.
A Democratic president would never go after MindGeek for antitrust violations.
I hope everyone reads your post.

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camaroborillo

thanks for sharing this interesting article with us. it was only a matter of time when one comany (mindgeek) would dominate all others. in many industries today, only a few (usually twor or three) control more than 90% of the market. beside them can only survive a couple of highy specialized niche players.

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Amazing article about this business

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a question

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How is working to make money nowdays from porn compare with the past ?

Nowdays is a big pirattery , there are websites of torrents and so on , i always get any kind of porn i want without a problem . I think that is a big problem for industry , for me is good seince i am from relative poor Romania

I am just curious how porn industry still make a lot of money if many people use piratery?

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Because fortunately, not all planet is thieves and motherfuckers like all those making Tubes and P2P sites.
I can imagine it's a big temptation to get for free the things but who likes when somebody takes what is yours ??? Will you be happy if I come in your home and take all what I want and go out with it in my pocket ?
For sure not. And this is why this site is still here, because some people are fair to me and understand that. Others are just stupid assholes ...

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I have a friend who loves Hollywood movies. He can't get enough and basically watches every new release. He's almost an amateur film critic, he knows that much ! He downloads every movie from Torrent sites, and has been to the theater only once in the past year (to watch Avengers 3d). When I try to explain how he's killing the movie industry, he laughs at me and says "If I don't download the next guy will, so why should I pay ?"

He makes $150K per year, has a small mortgage, can easily afford to drop $20 in the movie theater. I always ask him out to the movies. I try and convince him by saying "you get popcorn, its a nice night out, watching on the big screen is fun" ... he just laughs and says "why pay if its free in 2 months ?"

This is the problem with most people. A lack of consideration for anything beyond themselves.
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Anyway I am optimistic about future even if it will be a long fight !!!

Ca bouge un peu :

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