OMG !!! It's crazy ...

PW

Putain le délire !
Le type qui a logé des terroristes à Saint-Denis est un meurtrier.
Il a "juste tué un de ses amis" avec un tranchoir en plein thorax en fait.
Et maintenant qu'il est libre et tranquille après avoir accompli une petite peine,
il peut même rendre service à des gens qui veulent mettre la France à feu et à sang.
Bravo la justice française !

- http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/s ... google.com

dk81 wrote:France pays the bill of its own mistakes. And you europeans dont wanna see the realities.[...]

France is against the independence of Kabylia, Rif and Azawad.
The independence of those Tamazgha territories would be considered as a great defeat and also an humiliation by the islamo-baathists terrorists.
The independence of Kabylia, Rif and Azawad to begin with would hurt ISIS and islamo-baathists terrorists from all over the world much more than a billion bombs dropped over Syria and Iraq.

dk81 wrote:[...]2 months ago, isis group also bombed Ankara/Turkey, over 100 turks died and nobody said he/she is shocked... nobody opened a topic in this forum as you did for paris attack... [...]

This attack was against Kurdish people mainly.

"[...]On three occasions this year, rallies organized by Kurdish groups in Turkey have been hit by bomb attacks.[...]
Kurdish leaders blamed the authorities for negligence in allowing ISIS to target them.[...]
It's in ISIS' interest to stoke this violence, as it weakens their Kurdish enemy and keeps the Turkish army and air force occupied. In northern Syria (and especially Hasakah province), ISIS is under pressure from the Kurdish YPG fighting force, which has close ties to the PKK.[...]
But ISIS has established a deep presence in Turkey in the past two years. One counterterrorism analyst told CNN it uses certain neighborhoods of Istanbul as a financial hub.[...]
Some furious Kurds at the scene of the attack blamed the AKP for orchestrating recent bombings and attacked a police car.[...]
The shock of the Ankara attack might yet lead to a reappraisal by the government and Turkey's Kurdish minority.[...]"
Source : - http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/10/world/tur ... t-matters/

"[...]On the same day that Turkey announced it would help fight the Islamic State, Turkish forces began an airstrike campaign against one of the very groups that has been crucial to stopping the advance of the Islamic State.[...]
The Y.P.G. is perhaps America’s most effective ally in Syria against the Islamic State.[...]
Turkey, which has been a NATO member since 1952 and is considered by American officials to be critical to weakening the Islamic State in Syria, was reluctant to participate.[...]
Kurds across the region have historically sought an independent state, which the Turkish government strongly opposes.[...]"
Source : - http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015 ... .html?_r=0

Kurdish people are not to blame in this story, in fact it's just the opposite.


" Is Turkey Buying Oil from ISIS ?"
"[...] Since 2014, after Isis began its expansion plans in Syrian and Iraq, Turkey has repeatedly been accused of having aided the growth of the Sunni radical group.
The US Delta Forces carried out a raid on the hideout of a top Isis leader Abu Sayyaf in May this year. They gunned down Sayyaf, who was said to be Isis' chief finance officer.
The US forces reportedly found a trove of documents from the Isis leader's hideout.
A report in The Guardian had said Sayyaf, who was running the oil and gas operations for Isis, was coordinating with Nato member Turkey to sell the smuggled crude oil in the black market.[...]"
Source : - https://www.oilandgaspeople.com/news/60 ... from-isis/

"Turkey’s Troubling ISIS Game"
"[...] The Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, bolstered by the electoral triumph of his conservative Islamist Justice and Development Party, or A.K.P., has shown a troubling penchant for benign neglect toward the jihadi Islamists — enough for them to establish a Turkish network.[...]
Hence the unpersuasive Turkish balancing act that sees Erdogan offering the United States use of Turkish air bases to fight the Islamic State even as Turkey twice strikes the positions in Syria of Kurdish militias who, as my colleague Tim Arango put it, are the “most important allies within Syria of the American-led coalition fighting the Islamic State.” Hence, also, the bungling and inaction that produced, on Oct. 10 in Ankara, the worst terrorist attack in Turkish history.[...]
Almost three months elapsed between the bombings, both of which principally targeted Kurds, and Erdogan did nothing. After the Ankara attack, his prime minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, said the government had a list of potential suicide bombers but could not detain them because “as a country with rule of law, you can’t arrest them until they act.” (Not easy to do afterward either.)[...]

The impression has been inescapable that, for the government, having Islamic State militants kill Kurds with impunity was a palatable option with the bonus of creating the climate of instability that secured the Nov. 1 electoral victory for Erdogan.[...]

Turkey, a heterogeneous nation, cannot be homogenized under the banner of Erdogan’s Sunni Islamist nationalism. Intolerance will backfire, as it has in Syria. “They don’t want the Kurds even to breathe,”[...]
Source : - http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/08/opini ... .html?_r=0

i am a Turkish citizen with leftist view and what you have written is bullshit. those victims were from left side and all of them were secular. that's why isis killed them.

will you deny that France has been supporting PKK against us? or ASALA terrorism against our diplomats?

just a simple answer i am waiting for....

France should change its own policy about terrorism...

I studied french for 11 years and close to french culture...

I know their mentality very well...

Putin is right! The only one defending Europe is Putin! European public opinion stands with Putin. Yesterday was a very sad day, Erdogan must go, Obama and nato words about the Russian fighter plane are disgusting. The Russians are fighting the terrorists, and if we dont respect that we are fucked!

CA

The downing of a Russian fighter by the Turks revealed the truth that it is Turkey that has been the true patron of the Daesh.

Turkey has been buying cheap oil from the terrorists and funding them all the time, so when the Russians began to destroy the oil tanks the turks jumped out from the shadow and showed their true ugly face!

People from all over the world have been wondering why the hell it was so difficult to destroy these lunatics, now we know the answer.

The simple logic is that to wipe out Daesh Turkey must go, especially the dirty, furtive and arrogant Erdogan.

Turkey is fighting against ISIS... they killed our policemen, soldiers... they bombed our capital city... stop telling stories from lafontaine!

dk81 wrote:[...]what you have written is bullshit.[...]

This is the typical answer from someone revealing his lack of arguments.

A few other things to consider which tends to confirm the sources given before :
" Turkey: Kurds Threatened Before Election"
"[...] Erdogan called for another, snap election on November 1, seemingly to try once again to get his permanent Sultanate.[...]"
" [...] Turkey's state institutions and many media outlets do not treat even dead Kurds with respect, so why should anyone assume would it to show any respect to live Kurds? Many Turkish officials and media outlets not only display the dead bodies of tortured and murdered Kurds, but even help to dishonor them.[...]"
"[...] Attacking dead Kurds, however, has long been a tradition in Turkey.[1] The Turkish government has been hostile not only to dead Kurdish fighters, but also to dead Kurdish civilians.[...]"
"[...] These attacks and murders seem aimed not only at intimidating and subjugating the Kurds, but at denying Kurdish existence: not leaving even a trace of it [...]"
Source : - http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6777/ ... threatened

"[...] The toll from Saturday's twin bombings in Ankara is appalling enough -- the deadliest single terrorist attack on Turkish soil.[...]"
"[...] The bombings may also poison an already volatile political atmosphere and further inflame relations between the state and Turkey's Kurdish groups, some of which were prominently involved in the Ankara rally. [...]"
"[...] On three occasions this year, rallies organized by Kurdish groups in Turkey have been hit by bomb attacks.[...]"
"[...] It would have been a brutally cynical act for the PKK to attack a pro-peace rally attended by Kurds.[...]"
"[...] Kurdish leaders blamed the authorities for negligence in allowing ISIS to target them.[...]"
"[...] the Turkish government and ISIS have seen Kurdish nationalists as the "greater enemy" and have been less concerned about each other. ISIS has so far been careful, for example, not to attack a rally of the ruling party in Turkey.[...]"
"[...] Some furious Kurds at the scene of the attack blamed the AKP for orchestrating recent bombings and attacked a police car.[...]"
"[...] The shock of the Ankara attack might yet lead to a reappraisal by the government and Turkey's Kurdish minority.[...]"
Source : - http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/10/world/tur ... t-matters/
JE SUIS CHARLIE :
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The entangled triple circles:

Circle one: Turkey is patronizing Daesh, the US is patronizing Turkey;
Circle two: Russia is attacking Daesh, Turkey is attacking Russia, the US is attacking both Daesh and Russia;
Circle three: Daesh is attacking everyone.

So who will turn out the winner?